Taped at Northwest Society of Dowsers, Milwaukie, OR - September 11, 1981
We lived in Salem, Oregon near the Willamette River. Suddenly while reading a book, I began hearing what I thought was a foghorn. I thought, "Why in the world is a ship on the river, in the middle of a clear day, using a foghorn?"
So, I asked my husband if he could hear it. He didn't hear it; and the children couldn't hear it. But it continued on and on, and on into the next day; finally I began noticing it while in other places. Soon everybody was tired of hearing about my foghorn, that they couldn't hear.
Then we went camping in the Fall River area of the Cascade Mountains near Sisters, Oregon, in our 11 and 1/2 ft. camper. It was about 4:00 a.m. when I woke up. It sounded like my foghorn was right in the camper. The camper had evidently picked up a vibration of the sound and was magnifying it, like an echo chamber.
I shook my husband awake and said, "Hey, can't you hear that?" He said, "Go back to sleep." So, I went outside and spent the rest of the night, and the rest of the trip, sleeping outside to get away from the noise; although I could hear it outside when it was quiet, the level was down.
I began checking with people to see if anyone else heard the sound. At first they tried to tell me that it was the vacuum cleaners at a turkey processing plant about a mile from our house. Then they said it was power lines. Then they said it was, "in your ears; you have tinnitus."
So, I went to the Oregon State School for the Deaf, for testing. They found that I could hear the sound louder inside their attenuation booth than outside of it. They were convinced that I had tinnitus, because that attenuation booth -- they assured me -- was totally quiet.
Well, I didn't believe that either. They tested my hearing down to and including 10 Hertz. That's approximately 20 Hertz lower than most people hear, lower than most animals can hear. So, I still continued my search, trying to find out what I was hearing.
About three years later, in June of 1979, the sound changed. It woke me up. I guess it had changed before; but I never really thought about it. I did think about it this time because it woke me; it was a drastic change. It became louder and stronger; the tones -- what I hear is a series of tones -- came closer together.
At the same time the sound changed, they interrupted the television program to tell us that there was a major beaching of Sperm whales, on the coast at Florence, Oregon. I started thinking about it. I guess the tragedy probably brought it more to mind. I thought, "I wonder if the whales hear what I hear; and they got confused?"
A mammalogist's convention was in progress at Oregon State University in Corvallis at the time; it couldn't have been better if they had planned it that way. I went over and talked to the scientists, and asked, "What frequencies do whales hear? Especially sperm whales?" They said sixteen to seventeen Hertz. Sperm whales have the lowest frequency range of hearing of any of the whales.
There I talked to Bruce Mate, professor at the Hatfield Marine Science Center at Newport; I told him my theory, that the whales were beaching because of the sound.
By the second day of the beaching there was a series of four earthquakes in Big Bear, California. I thought, "That's interesting. Earthquakes follow the change in the sound, and the beaching."
So I made a comment to the media in Salem: I had begun monitoring the sound after the beaching. I said that it seemed the whales had become confused by the tone which is different from that they were sending out. Thus they become disoriented and come onto the beach. When the smaller whales were pushed out into the water, they came right back in because the sound was still there.
Professor Leland Jensen from Oregon State University came to my home with a complete sound testing set-up. They ran tests in the home with a spectrum analyzer; they found that the sound does in fact exist. It is there. They can pick it up electronically even though they can't hear it. I could go into the next room and tell them when it started and when it stopped, raised, lowered, or whatever on the scope; and it would respond accordingly in the next room.
Professor Jensen's equipment was picking up a range of 7 to 10 Hertz. He told me that he had taken the same test in Corvallis, in Eugene, and in Astoria. The tests in Astoria were done underwater; they still got the same readings. So, I was again convinced that the whales had heard what I was hearing.
About that time I was told to contact US EPA, Las Vegas, Nevada -- a man named Richard Tell. Ric happens to be head of the Electromagnetic Noise Analysis of the Western states, Office of Radiation. Of course, in the beginning he thought I was totally way out in left field, a real fruitcake. But he tolerated me and listened to me... the phone calls day after day.
The thing that really intrigued him was the fact that I told him it was louder in Sisters, Oregon, than it was in Salem; because he had six months before become aware of a gentleman and his mother in Sisters, Oregon, who heard the sound over there to the point where they had to leave the area. They couldn't stay there any longer. So Ric Tell came to my home and took measurements also, later on in the fall of the year (1979).
I found when earthquakes occurred that were 7 or higher (on the Richter Scale) I would get an earache. No matter where in the world the earthquake occurred, if it was a 7 or higher, I would have severe earaches for three days prior to the event. Otherwise, I had no pain, just a sensation of different types of sound -- almost like Morse code would be -- different long tones and short tones.
It went on about the same until March the 16th, 1980. I woke up with a severe migraine headache; and I've never had headache problems to begin with... and especially not migraine. It continually got worse and worse and finally on the third day I had predicted an earthquake for Alaska of 6 or higher and it occurred that afternoon.
But the pain didn't go away. I thought, "That's interesting. I wonder what the pain is all about?" The next day they had the first earthquake, a 4.2, on Mt. St. Helens, on the 20th of March, 1980. I said, "Ah! Volcanoes cause pain and earthquakes don't!" I started watching and sure enough, every time the mountain (St. Helens) would pick up activity the pain would pick up.
On the twenty-seventh of March I was being filmed for a newspaper article out of San Francisco and the gentleman there, Ivan Sharp -- we were in the park filming and all of a sudden he wanted me to go "Ungh!" -- fake it -- for the picture. And I said, "I won't do that."
All of a sudden I go, "Ungh!" and tears were rolling down my cheeks and he says, "Hey, that's good!" I said, "Hey! That's not faking! Something's happening on the mountain!" So we ran to the car and turned on the radio.
It was just a couple of minutes after 1:00 in the afternoon and they interrupted on the radio station and said the volcano had just had its first explosion of the series of explosions. And so, immediately he took off for Portland and the volcano.
I went to Channel 2 (Portland) that night and said, "You're going to have an explosion and earthquake on the volcano between midnight and 2:15 a.m., and it will be pretty big."
And so they thought, "Well, she hadn't been wrong." They had logged 80 calls and 80 events and 80 precedents with me so far. So they sent a sound crew up on the mountain to wait. Of course, they hadn't closed any red zones or anything yet; they were right up there in the middle of it.
They sat there and waited and waited and were joking back and forth... and all of a sudden at two o'clock the car started shaking like this and the camera tipped over -- the light -- they had the sound going and you could here the explosion, the rumble, and see the earthquake happening on film.
So I was on TV that night. They had me on the eleven o'clock news and they played the video tape back. You couldn't see anything; you could sure hear it and see the things tipping and shaking before the lights went out.
At that point I was having a lot of problems. I was having trouble walking; my eyes were -- I was losing depth perception periodically -- constant pain in my head and temples, swelling sometimes in different areas of the head, bleeding under the skin on my hands and face, and very uncomfortable.
I went to Los Angeles in April 10, of 1980, to appear on "That's Incredible," and even in Los Angeles I was able to call; and they could confirm with Mt. St. Helens every event that was taking place as I was telling them it was in Los Angeles, four minutes in advance. That was kind of intriguing to me, with the four minute lead time with the volcano.
I came back to Salem; quit my job because I couldn't work. I was sick all the time, bumping into things, walking into people.
I found out other things caused pain. I found our florescent lighting, for instance, caused pain; crossing water caused pain, harmonics of any type of low frequency... generators. Like in a coffee shop if the coffee machine came on, I would have to get up and leave. The pain would pick up. Air conditioners were tremendous for causing pain, especially metal, and air pressure changes, and of course, the volcano... and drastically changed my life at that time.
I was in Portland on the morning of the 15th of May, 1980. (The big explosion of Mt. St. Helens occurred at 8:32 a.m., May 18th.) I had an appointment to speak at three o'clock in the afternoon at Lake Oswego High School psychology class.
I was having lunch with the Channel 2 staff; and they had to help me walk. I couldn't even walk in the restaurant. I was tipping sideways; I couldn't stand up. The only way I was comfortable was if I was standing... (demonstrated)... you know, like that. If I stood up straight it felt like I was off balance.
We went to lunch and I told them something big was going to happen to the volcano. I could feel the ground vibrating under my feet. They couldn't feel it; but I told them it was happening and they listened anyway.
I went to Lake Oswego (High School) and told them the same thing. I had to get back to Salem; I was really feeling bad. So I drove back to Salem about 4:30 (p.m.).
That evening, the pain was pretty intense; but it eased off on Saturday morning, the seventeenth. It was pretty good all day; it wasn't too bad, I just had a normal migraine. That evening about seven o'clock it was just like someone had taken a baseball bat and beaten me across the head with it. I couldn't even stand up.
At 8:00 I got up to turn the TV station and I walked right into the fireplace. I couldn't even judge where I was walking; and I sat there and debated whether to call the TV station or not because everybody was tired of hearing about that blasted volcano. All I wanted to do was have it blow away and be done.
Finally at 8:20 I called Channel 2 and talked to the anchor man, Stan Wilson, and I said, "Stan, you wanted to know if it's going to do it?" I said, "Give it twelve hours; it's going to be a big one." He said, "Sure, we'll log it." I said, "Okay."
Well, I went on and did some things and lay down on the couch and I got up at five o'clock (in the morning) and brought the newspaper in, and I just felt strange. That's the only way I can describe it; the sky was fiery red and I didn't like that to begin with. It was too still. I didn't hear any birds. We had just had a hail storm the day before, which was intriguing because we don't normally get hail in the middle of the spring. I had noticed that prior to several of the events on the mountain (St. Helens) there was hail.
So, anyway, about 8:28 (a.m.) I woke up. I had dozed off again, and I just lay there and kind of wondered what woke me up. I didn't feel anything. I didn't hear anything other than normal sound. My ears felt kind of like they were in a vacuum; but not any pain to speak of, and 8:32 came and went. I went to raise my head to get up and I couldn't lift my head at all.
They interrupted the television about twenty minutes later and said the volcano had erupted violently. And of course, everybody knows the story from that.
But they did ascertain through the University of Oregon Health Science Center, who is head of Neurology there, Dr. Frank Yocks, and my doctor, that I had suffered a very minor stroke when the volcano erupted.
So, I began picking up other the other activity then, and I was very uncomfortable for a couple of days and then it kind of eased off; and then it picked up again the following weekend of the twenty-fifth and I called Stan again that evening and I said, "Okay, give it about six hours this time." And I think it was about four and one-half hours later they had the second eruption of the mountain.
It just went on that way; I had more tests. I went to Seattle in July, to be tested at the Research Center for Physiological Medicine; they put me in a hyperbaric decompression chamber and all the did was seal the doors, just closed the doors, and immediately, "Ungh!", the pain in my ears. They said, "Oh, that's no more pressure than blowing your nose." I said, "Maybe blowing your nose; but it hurts!"
So they checked my eardrums, which were ready to burst just from shutting the doors. They ran hearing tests and were amazed that they could talk outside the steel chamber, and I could tell them everything they were saying before the man with the earphones next to me could repeat it to me.
I said, "Alright, go in the next room and shut the door." And they did and I could still hear every word they said. To me, that steel chamber acted as a magnifier of voices, and I could hear everything very clearly.
I had predicted that day, on the nineteenth of July, an earthquake for Alaska. I was in Washington; I said it'd be a 6 or higher by 6 in the afternoon. So I headed back to Salem about 3:30 (p.m.); got to Olympia approximately ten minutes until four. Headed back to Salem about 2:30, and lost an hour there.
I finally got into Olympia; I went to the State Capitol. I was going to talk to Dixie Lee Ray (the Governor) and I got so sick and dizzy in the capitol they had to drive me to my car. I couldn't even walk in the capitol building.
And so I left Olympia and headed back toward the volcano viewpoint at Ridgefield. I was going to stop there, and at 4:07 I couldn't drive. I had to pull off the road. It was right near Tumwater. I sat there for fifteen minutes, and then I went on.
I got to the Ridgefield office and I said, "What happened?" They said, "Nothing." And I said, "I'm going to look at the seismograph." And, of course, there was a nice big earthquake had occurred. And I said, "Where did this happen?" They said, "I don't know. Not here." So we called the University of Washington Seismology Department and I said, "Where did it happen?" And she said, "Where do you think?" And I said, "Probably, Alaska, probably in the water, a 6 or higher, at 4:07." And she said, "It was Palmer, Alaska; it was in the water; it was 6.2 at 4:07."
So I knew then that I could feel pretty close to when they were actually happening. Before that I was just picking them up as one event(?) of seventy-two hours and then twelve hours in advance. So, beyond that it's been a matter of tests and trying to convince the scientific community that something was happening.
We found some other unusual things that have happened. We find that prior to every eruption on Mt. St. Helens, both dome building and explosive type, and large earthquakes, no matter where they are but especially if they are close, there are at least two small aircraft that crash within 36 hours before the event. They totally lose power. Also, car batteries die, for no reason at all.
Now the quake of February the 13th (1981), in Elk Lake, Washington -- I think it was measured as 7.1 -- hit at 10:10 that evening. I had picked it up on the 9th. I was driving to the doctor's office for a check-up, and all of a sudden it just appeared to me that the road had turned, just like that. So, of course, I turned, and ended up over the curb and the sidewalk and the grass and right next to a building. I didn't hurt anybody or the car or myself.
I headed to the doctor's office and was checked over and found out I was okay. Then I notified Colorado, U.S.G.S., and I said, "There is going to be a major quake, probably Washington, within 72 hours, of a 7 or higher." They laughed at me. And I said, "It's really going to happen." I told them what had happened to me driving the car.
Our State of Oregon Emergency Services Director, Harvey Latham, who became a real believer, was in Portland visiting his ill mother at Adventist Hospital. When he was coming home from there -- and he related this to me later that evening -- about seven o'clock when he got home. He said, "I was leaving I-205 coming into I-5 at 4:15 in the afternoon, you won't believe this -- I counted over 38 cars with their hoods up." He said, "I stopped counting after 38 of them. I didn't want to know."
And he said there were tow trucks all over the place; battery cables all over the place; and the cars wouldn't start -- they wouldn't ever jumper. And I said, "Well, they probably won't for at least two hours. Then they should be fine."
Just six hours later a 7.1 quake hit Elk Lake, Washington, near the volcano. Birds seem to pick this up. I've noticed in Salem and Seattle that they'll be gone for two days; you won't hear or see anything. And then they'll be back one day and be just normal or maybe a little bit agitated and next day the event occurs.
There are other things that are kind of frightening. For instance, Oregon led the nation in crib deaths. The two counties that led in Oregon were Polk County and Linn County. I have found that every time I pick up the chest pain, which is part of the symptoms now, I can notify the SIDS Foundation Research Department at Portland State University and they do in fact have a SIDS death within twenty-four hours. They had seven deaths in less than a week about July 1981.
Of the children that died in Salem, not one of them was born there. They were either visiting, passing through, or had just moved to the area. I don't know why that is yet. They are looking into it. I think that it affects the respiratory system; I think that it affects the heart beat. We do know now that when I started getting chest pains, the signals registered on the seismograph at Mt. St. Helens. Every time it peaked on the EKG it peaked on the seismograph. I have passed out several times with tachycardia -- locking in to the volcano rhythm. Pacemakers malfunction at that time; and they do have proof of that.
I was in contact with a gentleman by the name of Christopher Dodge, from the Science Research Division, of the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. We began working together March 27, 1981, after I had been to Seattle. We started a regular daily log-in. He called me at 6:00 a.m. our time every morning; I would run through a list of symptoms -- what I'm feeling -- and tell him what I was hearing. Then I would tell him what I was predicting. We hit at least fifteen events that way.
We found that with him logging the calls and watching more closely, he picked up things I missed about my own behavior prior to events. I go through anxiety attacks twelve hours before the events. I get the chills, my teeth chatter; sometimes I cry. It's a release of tension.
I found over a hundred people between Salem and Seattle that were suffering from this pain; some not as severe as I have it -- some of them worse. I have counted at least six people that have had heart attacks and at least five that have had strokes since I have been in contact with them. I feel like Typhoid Mary. I go around people and stay there for a while and they start picking up my symptoms within a week. Later they pick the symptoms up independently, whether I'm there or not. My own daughter, who was ten, missed thirty-three days of the 1980-81 school year because of severe dizziness and headaches. She couldn't even walk across the floor. My mother and mother-in-law both became sensitive -- but they are sensitive only to Mt. Hood, not to Mt. St. Helens.
I get a lead time on the volcanoes of approximately seven or eight days before the events start occurring. So I did have Mount Hood and Mount Shasta both before they became active this last year.
Christopher Dodge went to the Library of Congress; he presented a paper which he and Richard Tell, from Las Vegas, co-authored, to the Bioelectromagnetics Society Third Conference. There were people there from the scientific community, from the Soviet Union, from China, from the C.I.A., from the military, from the Radiation Division, and we expressed the situation to them -- explained it. And they all said, "Full steam ahead." They will give us all the support they can.
We now have a project called "Project Migraine" which is aptly named. We also have the Foundation for Research in the Paranormal Auditory Conditions. And we are going to go non-profit with that.
They just sent me to Colorado in late August (1981). I had testing there with the Bureau of Standards through the University of Colorado Medical Center. They put me in something like a Faraday cage except that it's not copper; it was eight inch thick aluminum. They had a device they called the SQUID machine, which measures the magnetic field of the brain or any other part of the body it is used around.
They put me in a chair that was like plexiglass and foam, and they put electrodes on my head for regular EEG, electroencephalograph, as well as a disc on my head which the SQUID machine rotated and followed and measured the magnetic field of the brain along with the electrical field of the brain. They put earphones in my ears and used various tones or frequencies to see how I responded; if it evoked a response to these sounds. The only thing they were able to ascertain is what I perceive as sound is probably not sound. They either decided it's E field or H fields; electrical or magnetic or electrical magnetic.
When the Icelandic volcano erupted on the seventeenth of August, I passed out on the floor at home instantaneously when it erupted. They said that the only thing that could happen that quickly would be E or H fields because they move almost at the speed of light.
And so they are devising a whole new series of tests, the neuroscientists, the physicists, that I speak with, and I will be going back to Colorado. I am called now by the Federal Government agencies usually once, twice, even three times a day to see how I am feeling. They are listening.
United Air Lines checks with me to see how I am because they found that I can tell them when they are going to have trouble with their aircraft. Usually engine failures, amber alerts, delays, instrumentation problems. United is the main one who is bothered, mainly because their computer system is much more sensitive than the other air lines.
And generally, they'll find the problem in the lighting or something or the alarm system -- or, part of the equipment -- and they'll go to fix it and there's nothing wrong. It's perfectly all right. The engineers have determined that with me.
They have found now when I was at Los Angeles and San Francisco a few weeks ago that I can detect fault lines just by going over them, active or not. When I got sick at Tumwater coming back from Seattle -- I just found out recently from a mining geologist there is a minor fault at St. Helens that goes south from Tumwater which intercepts with a major fault from Glacier Peak at Tumwater. So, I was picking up that fault.
When I go along the Columbia River near the Trojan Nuclear Power plant I get ill. I thought it was the holding tank and the cooling tower. It wasn't. It was the area where the quake hit on the thirteenth of February. It opened up a new fault line right next to Trojan. I was picking that up eight months before it happened.
When I went to downtown Denver, I got very ill; they are building some new big skyscrapers there. In fact, I passed out when they took me through it the first time, and I said they're going to have one hell of a quake here.
I said, "I can't tell you when because I have never heard this area before. But, it's going to be a big one." I also said, "I should be able to tell you before it happens because I'll feel it." But that particular part of Denver, they said, is not prone to earthquakes.
I have found by listening to the sounds that I hear, each area -- Northern California from Eureka to the Bay, Southern California from Los Angeles south, Riverside, El Centro; northern areas of Canada, Alaska, Aleutians, Japan, and Washington state -- each of these areas have their own signature. And so, when that particular sound changes, I know it will be seventy-two hours and that area will have an earthquake. By the intensity of the sound, I can tell how large it will be; and where the pain hits me on my body, I can -- if it's going to be on the mountain (St. Helens), it's right there in the center of my forehead; if it's away from the mountain, it'll be my temples. If it's Mount Shasta or an earthquake in California, I get a lot of chest pain and tachycardia palpations.
I have visual problems due to depth perception, with the mountain. The mountain gives me more symptoms than the earthquakes, unless the earthquake is quite large.
Now last Wednesday I began having some real problems, and I didn't know what was going on. I knew the mountain was going to be coming active very soon because Etna had been reported active the day before, and you can look back and it can be shown on paper that prior to every eruption on Mount Saint Helens, clear back to last March (1980), that Mount Etna precedes it by one week. And it did again this time by five days. The geologists said, "Well, that's a coincidence." I said, "Fifteen times?"
And so, I was getting a new symptom, which I have never had before. I was getting angry. I would have fought with anybody or anything. I was argumentative; I was snippy; I am surprised my husband didn't ask me to sleep outside with the dog, because the dog was probably acting better than I was. But, I was really angry. I found out that other people who were being bothered were angry too; and I never had this before.
I knew it was Southern California, by Thursday morning. But, I didn't understand why the anger, because that was a whole new effect. I knew it would be in water. I knew it would be at least 5 and one half; and I waited, and by three o'clock on, two o'clock our time, on Thursday afternoon, I called Washington, D.C., to get a hold of Mr. Dodge. His line was busy.
I called him at home later, just before five o'clock our time and while I was talking to him on the telephone, I had a real bad attack of pain. He wrote it down.
I said, "That was Southern California, but I don't know how big it was, probably under a five." And then I went home. Well, about ten o'clock that night I got sick. I was just pacing the floor. I wanted to hit anything I could hit -- the walls, the floor, a person. I called Chris Dodge again at home in Washington; of course, ten o'clock our time is was one o'clock in the morning his time. And I told him, "Chris, it's gonna do it! It's going to be Southern California; put the alert out." He said, "Well, I'm not going to call them this time of night. I'll call you in the morning to see how you feel."
So, he called me at 7:30 our time and I said, "Okay, we're down to a nine on all the symptoms. Call them." He called them at a quarter to nine and told them what to expect. The quake hit eight minutes later. It was a 5.8; it was in the water. It was in Santa Clara Channel and was felt all the way to San Diego.
I told them on Wednesday of this week there will be an aftershock, probably the largest aftershock they've had, and it will occur by midnight on Thursday night. I didn't hear anything about it. But I was called today from Los Angeles. They did, in fact, at eleven o'clock last night, have a 3.5 aftershock of the quakes.
So, it's still working; and there are a lot of people that are feeling it. I suggest to anybody that thinks they might be picking it up, please be checked medically first to make sure you don't have a problem.
I went through brainscans and had X-rays. I've had EKGs, EEGs; I've had sonar tracings; I've had everything done that they can do to show that there's nothing physically wrong. Because it can mask other things. If you're weaker, if you're a child, if you already have other heart problems, it will bother that more. Other than that, there's not a whole lot that I can say. But, I would be glad to answer any questions anybody has.
Q. How do you feel now?
A. Well, I'm expecting something by morning, probably Washington State, probably 3.5 or less, but not necessarily.
I was down all day yesterday in bed, and part of today. I have not been in bed in two days other than to lay in bed, not sleeping. And I had a lot of trouble dropping everything. I get very clumsy. I went through a whole set of china in less than a month. So, I went out and bought "Corelle" and I broke two of those.
Q. Why? Or how?
A. You pick something up and it just drops. I don't understand it. It's not that I don't grip it; it just doesn't stay there.
Q. Do you ever go to the mountain to make predictions?
A. Yes, a little. My problem is that usually with the mountain I can call them or go to the volcano center in Vancouver. I can sit there in the seismograph room and tell them, "Okay, you're going to have a quake, it's going to be on the mountain; look in four minutes." And it'll happen.
A few minutes later I'll say, "Okay, there's going to be another one now and it's going to be a steam burst." And that'll happen.
I can do this by phone from home as well as I can at the mountain, except that it's very expensive. Sometimes the events are not recording on the instruments. Some of the larger events are logging in, but not everything. So that tells me one of two things. It's either another volcano, hopefully not one of the ones close, or it's not picking up yet -- they're not picking up on the seismograph what I'm picking up. Which is not too unusual.
I was reading the newspaper in Salem, the A.P. story on Wednesday, about the volcano and I think for the first time that they are hedging a little bit. Normally they say nothing's happening, it's quiet, there's no worries, and now they are saying, "Well, it could explode like it did again on the eighteenth of May. It had before. It's a possibility. We would expect a major change in activity, but not necessarily."
I think they are trying to cover themselves a little bit. I wonder if they are picking up something they're just not saying anything about. That's purely conjecture on my part -- but I've been around the geologists enough in the last few months to know the way they talk and they were definitely hedging in this article.
And what I'm feeling tells me it's a volcano. But, they're not picking it up yet. Or, if they are picking it up they are not telling me about it. Yes.
Q. I notice in the paper this week...there has been quite an outbreak -- of those pilot whales that were beaching... when you were talking about the whales that were beaching...?
A. I heard about the whale beachings the other day on our cable channel from Atlanta. I called and got information on it.
I also went to the coast on Sunday and talked to Bruce Mate at the Marine Science Center and asked for a printout of the last five years on whale beachings.
One thing I forgot to mention; a year to the day after the beaching of the whales there was an article on the front page of the Salem paper. It said that the scientists still did not know what caused the beaching of the whales in Oregon in June of '79. It was not physiological. There was nothing wrong with the whales. And, it was now thought that the whales' sonar had become jammed from earthquakes occurring at the same time.
Q. A couple of questions. You said that the various areas around the Pacific Rim had different signatures -- are you continually hearing these signatures?
A. Yes, I hear three or four signatures all the time. I hear Northern California areas, Southern California, the areas of Washington, Canada, Alaska, the Aleutians, and Japan. I don't know what Oregon sounds like. I'm kind of waiting for that.
Washington State is my only area that I get four days of warning on, not three. I think it's because it's closer. I am assuming I will get the same thing with Oregon. The areas of Italy, Sicily, Greece, New Guinea, New Hebrides, New Zealand, Australia, Samoa, Fiji; I get severe ear aches and I get a tuning fork effect. And I just picked up that tuning fork effect one time -- a series of five tones. And I don't hear it anymore. So, if I'm asleep I might even miss that. But I can generally tell where it's at.
I have predicted accurately the last three eruptions of Mount Etna, because, like, it feels the same as Mount Saint Helens; but I can tell the Saint Helens... because I can lock into the activity.
Q. Have you always been this sensitive?
A. No. This is something very new. The hearing started in '76, the earthquake predictions started August of '79; the pain started March 16, of 1980.
Q. Are you ever wrong?
A. I'm running 98% (accurate). I wish I was wrong a lot of times. That bothers me.
Q. What do you think your future holds?
A. My future? A lot of pain. Probably disbarment from home. It's very difficult for my family. My boys don't understand it at all. You know how they are at school, "Mom's weird."
My husband is a computer person -- anything you can't put in a computer program doesn't exist. And if you can't see it, feel it, taste it, or hear it, it's not there either. So, I have a lot of problems in that respect.
But they've tried to be supportive, as much as they can be, considering. They didn't mind when I went on "That's Incredible" because I got a hefty sum of money for it. And that was okay; if I acted like a fool for money, that was all right.
Q. Is there anything... ...these things?
A. They've tried all the medications that they can find from Beta blockers, morphine, codeine --they've even knocked me out and monitored me while I'm under sedation. And I still respond to the pain. I did find out last week, that I had a lot of general problems; they put me on codeine. The codeine will stop the general pain -- but it does not affect the other part.
Q. First of all, thank you for your talk. Have you tried acupuncture?
A. My Chinese physician has tried acupuncture; it doesn't work. Acupressure has not worked. I have tried some healing through a psychic that I know. As long as she had her hands on me it was okay; but as she moved away it was right back again.
Q. For many years, seers have been predicting that Southern California was going to fall off into the ocean. What's going to happen to you then?
A. Well, I have no doubt I'll know about it. To give you an example, on the eleventh of September (1980) I became extremely ill. I was vomiting; I couldn't raise my head off the pillow. The doctor put me on medication immediately, a very high quality of Valium. My parents took me home and put me to bed there -- so I wouldn't be alone. It lasted eighteen hours.
I called Channel 2 and told them something would happen on the volcano, probably in seventy-two hours. It did in fact, go into harmonics in September, but it did not erupt. But, unknown to me at the time, until the paper came out the Monday, there were thirteen major eruptions in Indonesia, on that third day -- and I was picking that up. So, I had no doubt when that 5.8 earthquake in California bothered me the other day like it did, I have no doubt I'll know about it.
Q. Has biofeedback worked?
A. We tried biofeedback as well as electronic nerve mask stimulus, but I'm so sensitive to vibrations and frequencies that just turning on the machine caused pain. So they can't use that either.
Q. You mentioned that you pick up on earthquakes in Australia and other places. How do you happen to know the area? Is it something that you sense when it is happening?
A. The earaches... I can't really explain it. It's learning by listening to the sound and watching to see what happens and where the event takes place. It's just a matter of learning just to figure out where they were. I still have a little trouble. I picked up one in Melbourne a few months ago, and it happened that afternoon. They called me.
Q. A short time ago there was a television program about...radio signals the Russians have been beaming our way. Are you aware of this?
A. VERY aware of this. I've talked to a lot of people about it. I've been tested by some various apparatus. I can detect fields down to less than five hertz as far as about twenty feet away.
Q. Is it an ongoing pain... or is it sporadic? Can you hear it now?
A. I can't always tell when it's on. I really can't tell; there's no way for me to verify that. But there are times when it changes. There is a definite physical change in that pain. And that's when I wonder if something is in fact happening.
I notice when the Russian ships were along the Oregon border, all the activity started in California. And all the power problems started all over and I kind of wondered at the time. But, that's truly conjecture. I don't know.
Q. Do you have any idea what started this back in '76?
A. I'm not really sure. I talked to some physicists, and the only thing we can come up with that all the other people that are being bothered or have heard the sound that I am hearing -- and we have found eleven of them nationwide -- began hearing it approximately in 1976... and the only thing large enough that we know that could have caused that was in 1976 the sun reversed polarity. It reverses every twenty years. And so maybe in twenty years we'll have a whole new group of people doing this. I hope.
Any other questions?
Q. Do you know anything about Mount Hood?
A. Well, Mount Hood's bothered me from the third of July on, last year (1980). I was really getting angry because they kept saying nothing was happening on Mount Saint Helens.
Well, they were right. It wasn't. But, I went up to the volcano center and I kind of yelled a little bit and stomped my feet, and I said, "Now listen, guys." I said, "I know what that's like. That's the lead time to a volcano." I said, "You had better check your seismograph." That was on the ninth of July, on Thursday. The next morning it came out in the paper that Mount Hood had an earthquake.
Now, we were told by the media that there were approximately thirty earthquakes, but most of those were blasting. They were blasting stumps. Actually, there were 140 earthquakes, and only ten of them were blasting stumps. So, the... (garbled)... told the truth. Also, that came from the Earthquake Scientific Bulletin out of (Millis?) that I got that information.
A friend of mine camps a lot around Bagby Hot Springs, and he went there in July. Normally the water is comfortably warm, with steam around. He said the sulphur was so strong he could hardly stand it. The steam was over twenty feet high in places, and the water was over 300 degrees.
So, I think if the scientific community had listened, because we called and told them about it, that they would have realized how much hotter that area was than they thought. And I think it would be a really good precursor to activity on Mount Hood if they would keep an eye on that area.
Q. Do you sense most of these things in the immediate future, just a few days before they happen?
A. Approximately three days. Seventy-two hours is my general lead time, although if I am around electronic instrumentation it does cause pain. They've blindfolded me, and taken me outside in Portland, and I can tell them at any given time where the mountain is, or where the moon is, because I can actually feel the pulling through my head. I can feel the pulling sensations.
Q. When United Air Lines contacted you, could you have predicted the crash in Portland a couple years ago?
A. I wasn't working on it at that time. I wasn't having any pain or anything like that. Mostly I call in and tell them ahead of time that they're going to have a small plane go down. I can say, "Okay, you're going to have a small plane go down within twelve hours," and they usually do.
We had one small plane go down about a week in advance; lost engine power. But California had five of them in the last two days -- around the San Jose area. That bothers me because I've had a build-up of activity there, pain-wise and sound-wise for twenty-two days solid, which is longer than I've had a reach time before.
When Brian Brady, the physicist at Colorado, made the prediction of a major quake in Peru, he was on (Universe?) on television. I kind of waited to see what would happen because Brian is a very brilliant scientist.
I think he has the right idea. But I thought his time was off a little bit, and I told them five days before that time. I said, "It's not going to happen. If it was that large it would affect the whole California coast line and destroy Lima, Peru." I said that I would be in the hospital. And, in fact, it did not happen.
He made a second prediction on the tenth of August. Again, it did not happen. His third prediction, the final one, is for the fourteenth of September, 1981, and with all this building and things going on, and all the activity in California, I'm kind of watching it pretty carefully at this time.
Q. Did you keep a daily log of all the activities that you sense?
A. I log them on a tape recorder if I'm not on the telephone. Otherwise, Christopher Dodge calls me from Washington, D.C. They go on to an electronic computer there at the Library of Congress, and they are printed out once a month.
Q. Does it change with the weather?
A. I have found lately that I am able to pick up the ones before they occur. I can hear thunder a long time before it gets there. I hear the rumbling; I can feel the vibrations of it. But I haven't really thought that much on it.
End of tape. Transcribed by Bob Fryer. Tape provided by Mike Doney of Milwaukie, OR
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